Was Jake In Dio when Bain and Appice were?

[mrmetal]

I don't see where Jake wouldn't have fit playing with Dio then. It just sounds like a decision that himself and Wendy made. I don't think it necessarily was a bad decision on Dio's part, due to the success he has had. On the other side of the coin, Jake could have even made him better, so who knows?

Both Jake and Ronnie have had great careers, but Jake apparently lost interest in pushing himself after the demise of Badlands.

I don't think it would have worked either. Just my two cents. If Jake thought it was bad working for Ozzy, who knows nothing about music; he probably would have really been unhappy working for Ronnie, who was a focused, driven individual, and musically trained on top of that.

[RandyRhoadsRules!]

Plus no offense to dio fans.. He is a bit self centered

[mrmetal]

Plus no offense to dio fans.. He is a bit self centered

i.e. "focused"

[Thajan]

Wasn't it Jimmi Bain who discovered Jake?
I remember reading it somewhere.... So I think he was with the VInnie, Dio Jimmi line up

[Thajan]

Wasn't it Jimmi Bain who discovered Jake?
I remember reading it somewhere.... So I think he was with the VInnie, Dio Jimmi line up

[BadSeed]

I was told by ronnie, and jake confirmed, that they were a 3 piece.vinnie A on drums, ronnie on bass and vocals, and jake on guitar.

Ronnie knew Jake from producing ROUGH CUTT.Jake joined RC for the Dio connection.Its been well documented as far as i know.

[PoetsandMadmen]

Wasn't it Jimmi Bain who discovered Jake?
I remember reading it somewhere.... So I think he was with the VInnie, Dio Jimmi line up

I believe Bain discovered Vivian. I've heard Ronnie say in an interview that Bain had a gift for finding unknown talent. Apparently so if he hooked up with Vivian Campbell!

[PoetsandMadmen]

I don't see where Jake wouldn't have fit playing with Dio then. It just sounds like a decision that himself and Wendy made. I don't think it necessarily was a bad decision on Dio's part, due to the success he has had. On the other side of the coin, Jake could have even made him better, so who knows?

Both Jake and Ronnie have had great careers, but Jake apparently lost interest in pushing himself after the demise of Badlands.

I don't think it would have worked either. Just my two cents. If Jake thought it was bad working for Ozzy, who knows nothing about music; he probably would have really been unhappy working for Ronnie, who was a focused, driven individual, and musically trained on top of that.

We're looking at this from two different view points then. You're looking at it from a work ethic point of view and I'm looking at it from a musical standpoint. It's interesting how people perceive things! I understand what you're saying though.

Ronnie is a down to business/disciplined kind of guy and Jake is fly by the seat of his pants, right?

[mrmetal]

I don't think it would have worked musically. Well, face it, it didn't when Dio tried.

I attribute that mostly to Dio working with Europeans and having a European influence in his music. Hence, Vivian got that gig.

It is probably the same reason DiMartini didn't work in Dio. That LA metal sound just wouldn't work for him. That and Warren wouldn't (or couldn't depending on who you believe) learn the songs right.

[Shadow]

I'm sure it was a very mystic & energy driven experience that legendary musician*s Jake E. Lee and the Master Dragon Ronnie James Dio music paths cross, how interesting. I highly admire & like both Music Artists, alot and they both totally ROCKED & Trailblazed this Planet the Rebel JAKE E. LEE and Icon band DIO. A heavy combination of the Heart & those early treasure music gems demos of Jake E. Lee (Williams) with DIO are proberly kept in the treasure Dragon Dio Vault w/other gem rarities. Smile! That's very cool & up to Mr. Ronnie James Dio if he ever wants to unleash them: I for one wouldn't mind hearing them & seeing them release in Record Stores/and Online Worldwide sometime "soon" in the very near future. Peace!

[RandyRhoadsRules!]

I don't think it would have worked musically. Well, face it, it didn't when Dio tried.

I attribute that mostly to Dio working with Europeans and having a European influence in his music. Hence, Vivian got that gig.

It is probably the same reason DiMartini didn't work in Dio. That LA metal sound just wouldn't work for him. That and Warren wouldn't (or couldn't depending on who you believe) learn the songs right.

Speaking of Warren... I can't wait till theres a RATT schism! 3 Ratt's
Warrens
Bobbys Ratt
Johns And Robbie's Ratt!

[PoetsandMadmen]

I don't think it would have worked musically. Well, face it, it didn't when Dio tried.

I attribute that mostly to Dio working with Europeans and having a European influence in his music. Hence, Vivian got that gig.

It is probably the same reason DiMartini didn't work in Dio. That LA metal sound just wouldn't work for him. That and Warren wouldn't (or couldn't depending on who you believe) learn the songs right.

Do you think that's what happened with Rowan Robertson? Why did he only play on one album?

Actually, I've read where Rowan was from England I believe.

[PoetsandMadmen]

I'm sure it was a very mystic & energy driven experience that legendary musician*s Jake E. Lee and the Master Dragon Ronnie James Dio music paths cross, how interesting. I highly admire & like both Music Artists, alot and they both totally ROCKED & Trailblazed this Planet the Rebel JAKE E. LEE and Icon band DIO. A heavy combination of the Heart & those early treasure music gems demos of Jake E. Lee (Williams) with DIO are proberly kept in the treasure Dragon Dio Vault w/other gem rarities. Smile! That's very cool & up to Mr. Ronnie James Dio if he ever wants to unleash them: I for one wouldn't mind hearing them & seeing them release in Record Stores/and Online Worldwide sometime "soon" in the very near future. Peace!

Yeah, in the end it looks like it all worked out for the best. I agree, it would be great to hear some demos of Ronnie and Jake in the studio. Maybe that's what Dio needs to add as bonus tracks if he ever gives his cataloge the re-master treatment!

[Stargazer]

I don't think it would have worked musically. Well, face it, it didn't when Dio tried.

I attribute that mostly to Dio working with Europeans and having a European influence in his music. Hence, Vivian got that gig.

It is probably the same reason DiMartini didn't work in Dio. That LA metal sound just wouldn't work for him. That and Warren wouldn't (or couldn't depending on who you believe) learn the songs right.

Well i don't think it was because of the LA metal scene. Doug Aldrich has been with 2 Dio twice now and he is from the same scene as Jake and Warren. I'm sure Warren could learn the songs I can play Vivian, Craig, Tracy and Doug's stuff and Warren is better than I am. Rowan's stuff is very difficult though. Craig Goldy is also from the L.A. scene but he has more of a european/neo classical/Blackmore style than Doug, Jake or Warren. Vivian actually sounded more like many guys on the L.A. metal scene than Craig does. I always thought Randy Rhoads and Ronnie James Dio would be the ultimate combination.

I don't think it would have worked musically. Well, face it, it didn't when Dio tried.

I attribute that mostly to Dio working with Europeans and having a European influence in his music. Hence, Vivian got that gig.

It is probably the same reason DiMartini didn't work in Dio. That LA metal sound just wouldn't work for him. That and Warren wouldn't (or couldn't depending on who you believe) learn the songs right.

Do you think that's what happened with Rowan Robertson? Why did he only play on one album?

Actually, I've read where Rowan was from England I believe.

Rowan is from England. I've spoken with Rowan many times. He's an incredible player. His style was more of a mix of Steve Vai, Randy Rhoads and Vivian Campbell than the L.A. style. Rowan was only 16 when he was hired for Dio too! rowan only played on 1 album because Ronnie put Dio on hold to rejoin Black Sabbath in 1991 while they were writing a follow up to Lock Up the Wolves. When Ronnie reformed Dio in late 1992 Rowan was already working with Oni logan who he met through Wendy Dio. Ronnie than decided to hire Tracy G who had played in WWIII with Jimmy Bain and Vinny Appice.

[mrmetal]

I didn't mean the LA scene, I meant that sound. Rowan didn't have that sound as you pointed out. Doug may have been in and from that scene, but his playing doesn't reflect it. Plus, he is talented enough to sound however he wants.

Rowan played the solos pretty much note for note when I saw them way back then. He was awesome.

I have nothing but respect for Warren's playing but when I heard he joined Dio I wasn't thrilled to hear that and I didn't think it would work. Two weeks later Dio had Goldy back.